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buckley:Based on what I read in the NYC thread, I'm not all that impressed, but if anyone's just looking for something cheap & new with track ends, it seems like the only thing you can get for under $200 that fits the bill.
le lion couchant:some of the chatter on bikefourms seems to indicate that in the near future lots of cheap lugged steel fixie frames will come out..basically all of the budget $200 "track" frames will have a lugged equivalent...
but lugs..welds... its basically all the same at the end of the day
conor:bikesdirect guy is gonna get cheap frames. now you're up to date.
DannyRocks:I don't know what size you are, Gene Spicer has 2 lugged frames (I think a 52 and a 54) for $400 a piece. check under closeouts.
Jer:Lugged frames are braised, which is much harder to do wrong. It also allows for the structural tubes to be thinner since the lug is holding the thing together.
jacobs:Jer:Lugged frames are braised, which is much harder to do wrong. It also allows for the structural tubes to be thinner since the lug is holding the thing together.
this isn't true. brazing, is much EASIER to do wrong. it also, in a general sense, requires structural tubes to be THICKER at the ends, with longer butts on the tube ends, because the heat cycles the joint goes through in brazing are much more strenuous on the metal.
the simple economics of a really cheap brazed frame are scary to me. it requires much more materials, which are expensive to make/get (investment casting isn't cheap, even in huge quantities), than tig. they also require a huge amount more man hours to assemble than tig. with that in mind, a lugged $200 frame cut a corner somewhere that the tig'd bike probably didn't have to.
you get what you pay for! those spartans have a lot of corners cut in the finishing process, which is talked about in the nyc thread.
for perspective, even if i used the absolute cheapest/crappiest materials i can buy, it would still cost me over $150, without paint, to build a lugged frame.
Jer:
I do disagree about the braising vs welding though, but I'm not a frame builder nor professional welder..
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