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    • CommentAuthormauspad
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2010 edited
     
    hahahaha. needs peer review.

    regardless of honey being "predigested" (it is, and is regurgitated, many times, by many bees), it's a big leap to say that the specialized digestion used by bees to produce honey is similar enough to human digestion to be detrimental to people. the "preservative" properties of honey are due to the low water and high sugar content that make it inhospitable to bacterial growth, not because of any weird shit the bees are putting in it. also, if you look up carbohydrate metabolism you'll find that ALL glucose enters into the bloodstream directly (it's why diabetics carry around glucose tablets). honey is 30% glucose, 30% fructose (fruit sugar), and the rest is mostly sucrose (table sugar) and water. agave nectar is a little more fructose, a little less glucose, so yes it might have lower GI but it's. still. sugar. plus talking about how maple syrup is 100% natural vs honey doesn't make any sense. maple syrup requires human processing to make. honey doesn't. insert wank about how "natural" doesn't mean anything, 'cause when you get down to it, it's all about the chemicals, whether they're naturally or synthetically derived. also master cleanse is batshit insanity that mistakes ketolic delirium for cleansing, propagated by middle-aged yogi wannabes with an anorectic streak.

    tl;dr version: eat what you want, but honey, if you use it like a NORMAL REASONABLE HUMAN BEING, won't kill you. (and neither will agave.)
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    MAPLE SYRUP IS THE MASTER SWEETENER.
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      CommentAuthorratattack
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2010 edited
     
    [edit] xue beat me. science!

    holy crap no, that is totally misleading about honey. honey is fine for you (in moderation, like anything else) if you get real honey, particularly the raw stuff, and has lots of great properties as well. it is completely out of line to imply that digesting any normal amount of honey is going to result in "black out spells and even death". and some of the excellent benefits of honey includes the antimicrobial and antibiotic properties it has, both externally and internally, in addition to the minerals and vitamins it contains.

    further, i would argue that anyone who establishes a master cleanse or "lemonade diet" isn't exactly a wealth of reliable, scientifically proven knowledge on nutrition. i call bullshit on the diet and the conclusions regarding honey.

    and finally, i have no real experience or knowledge of agave other than knowing it's been around for centuries and that foods that stick around that long usually don't make it this far if they're full of harmful things. that, of course, depends on how they're processing it in the modern day but again, i would say just have the stuff in moderation. i think the biggest risk is that everyone is jumping for joy over what a "miracle sweetner" it is and putting it in tons of shit and then it throws the whole "moderation" thing straight out the window without consumers necessarily realizing it.
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      CommentAuthordeadbolt
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2010 edited
     
    no no no. i never said "Honey will make you black out and you'll DIE" jeepers that's just stupid. nor did i say anything about Honey being unnatural. in my statement i added in the process by which your body works with Honey to digest it but that was only so that you could see the part about how your organs are forced to over-process so that your body doesn't react in a detrimental way. it is truth that if your body doesn't produce insulin and you've taken in any kind of sugar that you could die. that is exactly why diabetics have insulin shots. so that they don't die when their blood sugar gets all super unnaturally high.

    now. what i'm saying i've learned is that Honey, because 1/2 or more of the digestive process has already been completed for you by the Bees, is harsh on your system because it forces your pancreas to work overtime and apparently it tends to overwork and leaves you with LOW blood sugar. which is bad. so what i was saying was that Maple Syrup is excellent since it's full of vitamins and minerals and also your body can process it at a normal pace without having to over-do it before something bad (could potentially) happen(s). and the whole 100% natural thing wasn't suggesting that Honey isn't 100% natural. i was just typing out a few great qualities of Maple.

    see what i mean?

    tl;dr: i never said Honey was unnatural or is gonna kill you.

    i'm gonna have to read the articles about Agave though cause- i don't want to use it if it's bad for me.
    i'm always looking for that special miracle sweetener that'll be best for my health but it turns out it's probably just good ol' pure unrefined cane sugar. in the raw. or whatever. yup

    AND ALSO- have you guys ever read the Master Cleanser book? if you haven't i suggest you do. there are some excellent points about being sick and how it happens and how your digestive tract reacts to certain foods. i think it's very informative. you may think that dude's just a yoga hippie and he doesn't have any place to talk about health or whatever but he's got some very interesting points that make a lot of sense. i'm no scientist but they seem reasonable.Mattia: "I don''t usually watch porn with pickaxe, but when I do it, I make sure to be on the right website"
    • CommentAuthormauspad
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2010
     
    they seem reasonable because you're not a scientist.
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      CommentAuthordeadbolt
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2010 edited
     
    seriously? it doesn't make sense to you that because cow's milk is meant for COWS and not for humans that our bodies naturally produce an abundance of mucus in our digestive tracts where bacterica can manifest in and hang around in causing us to get sick? that doesn't make sense to you?

    also that stomach ulcers have been known to've been caused by over-eating meat.. your stomach has a natural sodium liner that keeps our stomach acid from diesting itself- and the over-eating of meat (which WOW is also animal tissue, much like our stomach!) makes the sodium lining surround the meat, leaving your stomach prone to digesting itself with it's OWN JIUCES. gross.

    i'm not a vegan, i eat milk and meat, but THAT makes sense and i can see how health crazies would want people to be vegan.

    the Master Cleanse just gives your digestive tract a rest and allows your body to flush out that mucus and harmful toxins from your cells, it's just a cleanser. it's not meant to be for any sort of weight-loss although it just so happens that when you flush your colon and strip shit that's caked up in your intestines (literal shit amongst other things) your body is able to receive the nutrients it needs from your food and helps you lose weight. naturally.Mattia: "I don''t usually watch porn with pickaxe, but when I do it, I make sure to be on the right website"
    • CommentAuthormauspad
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2010 edited
     
    I mean, look, personally I don't eat dairy, I try not to eat wheat, and my diet is like 95% non-animal derived, for reasons of health and convenience. And I'm not saying EVERYTHING the dude claims in his books is wrong. But a lot of it is backed up by shoddy evidence or takes huge leaps of logic. For instance, what the hell is a "sodium lining"? It must be right! It sounds totally scientific, 'cause sodium is a chemical, and stuff! But it doesn't make any sense. And neither does drinking lemon juice, cayenne and maple syrup/molasses for days on end. You think it's "natural", and that our bodies evolved to do that?

    And your colon is self-cleaning. That's why shit comes out of it. You know what actually protects your digestive tract? The mucous you're trying to flush out. Of course bacteria live in it! Bacteria (or gut flora, in a less squicky way of phrasing it) actually digest most of your food for you so you can absorb more nutrients from it. Doing colon cleanses is only useful if you're really into anal sex, about to get a colonoscopy, or have an impacted bowel. Remember that ladies used to douche with Lysol (or vinegar! 'cause vinegar's natural!) to rid themselves of their terrible terrible self-cleaning vag juices. Sounds awful, right? If you really want to scrub out your colon "the natural way", eat some roughage. Fiber One, psyllium husk, apples. Time-tested and mother-approved.
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    I'm not a scientist either... but I am skeptical about cleansing diets.

    If you want a different sweetener, you could always give stevia a go (a bit tinny tasting if you ask me).
    • CommentAuthorben
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2010
     
    More on topic -

    Ben's Cycles / Milwaukee Bicycle sent out a coupon code to "Receive 10% off your next purchase" and "if your order exceeds $100 you'll get free shipping on top!"

    10% Off Coupon Code ~ BCthanks2010


    cross-posted to for sale and online findsI have DTF pants. They're crotchless. -surprisefries
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      CommentAuthorratattack
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2010
     
    why would anyone need a miracle sweeter if they're only using sugar/honey/whatever in small amounts? your body needs glucose, just not an overabundance of it.

    and tammy, regarding milk, no, it was not originally natural for humans or any other mammals to consume breast milk well into adulthood. however, there's a lot of good stuff in milk and many herding communities INDEPENDENTLY developed a mutation that allowed for them to keep producing enzymes to digest lactose well into adulthood. the independent part is pretty key because it indicates that it was adaptive for completely distinct, very-far-apart communities to include milk and dairy products into their diet. if i remember correctly, it was predominantly northern europeans and some african communities that developed the mutation. so if you happen to be able to digest milk, go ahead. drink it. IN MODERATION. the biggest problem with milk is the way we've set about commercial milk production, not the milk itself.
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      CommentAuthordeadbolt
    • CommentTimeNov 11th 2010
     
    right on. it always comes back to "EVERYTHING IN MODERATION" i suppose.
    thanks for the info ladies, i definitely need to take a deeper look in to this stuff.

    on topic: if anyone was looking into going to a National Park soon you'd better go today since there's no entrance fees!Mattia: "I don''t usually watch porn with pickaxe, but when I do it, I make sure to be on the right website"
    • CommentAuthordub
    • CommentTimeNov 12th 2010
     
    mauspad:I mean, look, personally I don't eat dairy, I try not to eat wheat, and my diet is like 95% non-animal derived, for reasons of health and convenience. And I'm not saying EVERYTHING the dude claims in his books is wrong. But a lot of it is backed up by shoddy evidence or takes huge leaps of logic. For instance, what the hell is a "sodium lining"? It must be right! It sounds totally scientific, 'cause sodium is a chemical, and stuff! But it doesn't make any sense. And neither does drinking lemon juice, cayenne and maple syrup/molasses for days on end. You think it's "natural", and that our bodies evolved to do that?

    And your colon is self-cleaning. That's why shit comes out of it. You know what actually protects your digestive tract? The mucous you're trying to flush out. Of course bacteria live in it! Bacteria (or gut flora, in a less squicky way of phrasing it) actually digest most of your food for you so you can absorb more nutrients from it. Doing colon cleanses is only useful if you're really into anal sex, about to get a colonoscopy, or have an impacted bowel. Remember that ladies used to douche with Lysol (or vinegar! 'cause vinegar's natural!) to rid themselves of their terrible terrible self-cleaning vag juices. Sounds awful, right? If you really want to scrub out your colon "the natural way", eat some roughage. Fiber One, psyllium husk, apples. Time-tested and mother-approved.

    Tammy, I love you, but listen to this.I have a two part question: 1. Why is he doing that? And 2. Should we light him on fire.
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    ^ i'm alone in my living room and i nearly stood up and clapped after reading that... great delivery
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      CommentAuthormrotown
    • CommentTimeDec 20th 2010
     
    Anyone need a shitty mountain bike?
    I've got an older huffy.
    It was cast off by someone and I used it in an emergency.
    Now it's just sitting in my basement and I need another bike like I need a hole in my head.
    It isn't even that terrible.
    Makes it through all the gears and the brakes work and the wheels spin.
    No tires, but I've got tubes.

    Just come pick it up in roslindale.
    I live on the backside of peter's hill.e-f-f-e-c-t a smooth operater operating correctly
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      CommentAuthordora
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2010
     
    what size is it?
    can the bike collective have it?Must be awful, being so fluffy.
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      CommentAuthormrotown
    • CommentTimeJan 2nd 2011
     
    Sorry someone claimed it.
    I didn't see your post until just now.
    At least I didn't throw it out.

    Anyone want a fold up thing that has a bunch of folded up Brooks posters in it?
    They were giving them out at NAHBS.
    I'm neither a poster nor a Brooks guy.e-f-f-e-c-t a smooth operater operating correctly
    • CommentAuthorgc
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2011
     
    Free Film Fridays returns to the Museum of Science again this January.

    january 7, 14, 21, 28 all omni theater shows are free:

    http://www.mos.org/events_activities/events&d=2966gone
    • CommentAuthorben
    • CommentTimeJan 6th 2011
     
    Is it only for the 10am shows?I have DTF pants. They're crotchless. -surprisefries
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      CommentAuthor6kidz
    • CommentTimeJan 8th 2011
     
    mrotown:Sorry someone claimed it.
    I didn't see your post until just now.
    At least I didn't throw it out.

    Anyone want a fold up thing that has a bunch of folded up Brooks posters in it?
    They were giving them out at NAHBS.
    I'm neither a poster nor a Brooks guy.


    You don't like posters? How do you let anyone who comes into your room know that you like the movie Scarface and that you think drinking is fun?"Dude's just smashing fructosenormativity, lay off."
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    TV! non flat screen. You gotta come get it.clockwork ted: this is my favorite thread. sweet BJ alexi!
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      CommentAuthorRoz
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2011
     
    Please tell me details on the TV!!!roz-berry-lime
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    Old Sony Trinitron 27" with remote.clockwork ted: this is my favorite thread. sweet BJ alexi!
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      CommentAuthorRoz
    • CommentTimeJan 12th 2011
     
    meh, no thanksroz-berry-lime
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    Well either way people have until the wknd to decide or it's going on CL as a curb alert.clockwork ted: this is my favorite thread. sweet BJ alexi!
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      CommentAuthorratattack
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2011
     
    does it work fine? if so, it sounds like a nice addition to my basement for rollers.
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    Works just fine so far as I can tell. Please come take it.clockwork ted: this is my favorite thread. sweet BJ alexi!
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    Everyone look how physically fit and healthy I am and then realize that I eat everything that can be derived from an animal.Young, dumb, and full of cum.
    • CommentAuthorgc
    • CommentTimeJan 13th 2011
     
    ^ cool story?gone
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    ^^wrong thread?clockwork ted: this is my favorite thread. sweet BJ alexi!
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    ^^^pot or meth?Naaaah, too uncool for the #messlyfe. I just like to hang out in loading docks and pretend to talk on my radio so that people will like me. - Mfratt
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    Hahahaha, I had no idea that the Xue and Tammy discussion took place two months ago.
    But if you imagine my comment being posted during the appropriate time frame then it sort of makes sense.
    I don't know anymore.Young, dumb, and full of cum.
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      CommentAuthor6kidz
    • CommentTimeJan 14th 2011
     
    Free Shimano Spoke Wrench BN-SSW. Ordered from Nashbar for wheels on bike I no longer own. $3.19 value!"Dude's just smashing fructosenormativity, lay off."
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    Mint Seeds. I have a couple dozen packets of seeds. WHO WANTS SOME!

    Also, last chance for the TV. 27" Sony Triniton TV with remote. NOT A FLAT SCREEN.clockwork ted: this is my favorite thread. sweet BJ alexi!
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    Is it a specific kind of mint, or just a general generic mint?
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    generic.... packets don't say.clockwork ted: this is my favorite thread. sweet BJ alexi!
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    eric, could i grab those seeds sometime tomorrow? sounds like bu's about to get a whole lot mintierthis life may not be for you - ridecrazy
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    ^yeah... shoot me your number and we'll figure something out.clockwork ted: this is my favorite thread. sweet BJ alexi!
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      CommentAuthorratattack
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2011
     
    oh, crap. forgot about the tv. had way too much awesome going on this weekend.

    still have it/in the area? i might be doing a ski race tonight but i could pick it up after. and if you're willing to split the mint seeds, i would love some of those too. tea time!
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    Lauren, you can still have the TV, I just need to get it out asap so I can finish with getting my new place set up. Call me. You'll have to pick it up as I don't have a car.

    Got some mint seeds with your name on em.clockwork ted: this is my favorite thread. sweet BJ alexi!
    • CommentAuthorgc
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2011
     
    Free dewars:

    must rsvp, be 21+ obvi

    jan 27, 28, 29 feb 3, 4, 5

    http://discovery.dewars.com/Default.aspx?city=Bostongone
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    ?

    ...am I the only one?i mean that looks like a 10 cat bag, easy
    • CommentAuthorgc
    • CommentTimeJan 18th 2011
     
    now i want to mix scotch and liquid nitrogen.gone
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    ^^nope.You said time was infinite, so why the watch wrapped around your wrist?
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      CommentAuthordeadbolt
    • CommentTimeJan 19th 2011
     
    half off at Savant Project today on Groupon
    $40 worth for $20Mattia: "I don''t usually watch porn with pickaxe, but when I do it, I make sure to be on the right website"
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    Free to whoever comes and gets em: (Allston)
    -extremely wussy 130bcd bashguard (came stock on my 2010 Redline 925)
    -set of china dishes (fruit pattern): 4 dinner plates, 3 salad plates, 4 pasta bowls, 4 saucers, 4 mugs
    -Women's Large Patagonia capilene (3?) base layer bottoms, black
    -unisex small green tuxedo t-shirt (printed lapel pin says "kiss me i'm irish")
    -checkerboard tights
    -blue snakeskin print tights (not leggings, printed tights)

    whisper/call/FB to arrange acquisitioni mean that looks like a 10 cat bag, easy
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    do you need fenders? Ive got a set of extremely basic sunlite full wrap fenders (45mm wide) new ,Free and 700c::::: TAKENIs everyting irie?
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      CommentAuthortone
    • CommentTimeJan 21st 2011
     
    Yo(gurt of the frozen variety!) J.P. Licks buy 1 get 1 today only!We are the small axe.
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    Ok. Last call on free 27" TV with remote. If no one claims it it's going onto the curb alerts on craigslist. I want it out of my apt.

    Let me know by end of the day Friday. Must be out by Sunday night.clockwork ted: this is my favorite thread. sweet BJ alexi!
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      CommentAuthorkjelgaard
    • CommentTimeJan 27th 2011
     
    105 hub and a messed up 9s rear wheel. the rim is compatible with a 24h aerohead, I think, so it might be worth it to relace. I posted pictures in the FS threadhttp://www.fanfiction.net/s/800170/1/EVANGELION_NEXUS
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      CommentAuthorjpbevins
    • CommentTimeJan 28th 2011
     
    Hey guys, I have an extra ticket for the Dismemberment Plan tonight at the paradise. Sadly, my girlfriend is still in ny for work.

    If anyone wants to go, FB me. My screen name IS my name.