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    • CommentAuthorThreePete
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2015
     
    ^So judging from another look at the video, they are riding upstream and the cyclist intentionally rides directly in the cars path in, what would appear, in a taunting manner.

    Not that it justifies hitting (more like love tapping) the cyclist. But there's something about his behavior throughout the entire thing makes me seethe with hatred towards this dipshit.
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      CommentAuthornerdo
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2015
     
    No, the cyclist is riding to intercept a car intentionally rolling through a group of cyclists crossing at a crosswalk. There was nothing antagonistic in his approach. Assertive maybe, but I saw no aggression until the moment of contact, which is definitely the driver's fault. People may not like corking, but it's absolutely essential in any massive ride, critical mass or otherwise. I would argue that right-of-way techniques are also a necessity for any single-purpose mass assembly of moving humans in whatever form. You don't, for example, let cars drive right through protest marches, or parades, or funerals. Why is it dickish all of a sudden when bicycles ask for the same courtesy?Worstcase I'll just zip tie on a seat... but i'd rather not. —Zev (who else)
    • CommentAuthorben
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2015
     
    Protests, parades, and funerals are permitted. Critical mass is not asking for the same 'courtesy' - and it wouldn't be dickish if they did. It's dickish because they're acting like dicks.

    I'm not sure you and I watched the same video.I have DTF pants. They're crotchless. -surprisefries
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      CommentAuthorNandy
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2015 edited
     
    No one's ever complained about being inconvenienced by parades or races and all that, also most protests generally don't get permits/ escorts? Still, deliberately driving into a group of people isn't the most reasonable response."life is hard, cats are soft." - surprisefries
    • CommentAuthorben
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2015 edited
     
    Nandy:Still, deliberately driving into a group of people isn't the most reasonable response.
    it's not a reasonable response at all, and it's definitely one-sided that the news coverage is focusing only on the biker and not on the fact that a driver kept maneuvering their vehicle toward (at that point) a pedestrian in the road.I have DTF pants. They're crotchless. -surprisefries
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      CommentAuthorNandy
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2015 edited
     
    The "courtesy" thing changes pretty easily too, depending on perspective. Reminds me of all the times drivers have called me rude or yelled "share the road" or tell me I should be more respectful when I'm riding like two feet from the parked cars and not doing anything wrong. Part of the critical mass thing seems to be just getting in the way to get back for some of those times when we're completely disregarded and endangered normally, which is why they're dicks, because people are so frequently dicks to cyclists.

    The only way to deal with ragers like that is just to stop the ride and let that one go, because so many of these people won't think twice about just fucking plowing down a bunch of humans with their cars, and this shit isn't worth getting hurt over. For example, Angry driver plows into protesters on I-70, police file charges against protesters for SUV damage. Or that one (probably many more but just read about one recently) when a driver running a red light killed a cyclist and didn't get any charges, not even a ticket for the red. Cyclists never get the benefit of "courtesy", sometimes we just have to take it. I am generally not a fan of corking, but I can see the reasons to do it on occasion."life is hard, cats are soft." - surprisefries
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      CommentAuthornerdo
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2015
     
    ben:Protests, parades, and funerals are permitted. Critical mass is not asking for the same 'courtesy' - and it wouldn't be dickish if they did. It's dickish because they're acting like dicks.

    I'm not sure you and I watched the same video.


    I watched the video to the point of contact, so that I wouldn't be unfairly biased against the cyclist based on his post-collision emotions. I'm guessing a good percentage people who do watch the video all the way through decide they don't like the cyclist's emotional display, then retroactively assign aggression to all the cyclist's actions. Maybe you're one of those people?

    I was taking issue with Three Pete's suggestion that he rode at the car aggressively. Not so. In fact, he didn't even start getting verbally angry until midway through the confrontation.

    Courtesy is an interesting word. Does one need a permit to have courtesy extended to you as a cyclist, or group of cyclists?Worstcase I'll just zip tie on a seat... but i'd rather not. —Zev (who else)
    • CommentAuthorThreePete
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2015 edited
     
    Alright so last review of this video on my part. Taking into consideration what everyone has said so far, I think that the cyclist in question unnecessarily approached the car. If his intention was to stop the flow for fellow critical mass riders, I think it could've been handled better with him coming to a slow crawl (if not a stop) while signaling with his hands to the oncoming vehicle to stop whilst pointing his bike in the direction in which he/group intends to travel.

    Idk, dude is a fucking loser regardless. Nandy is right, cagers won't think twice about plowing through a 'group' regardless of whether it's induced by panic, fear, or anger. What about that dude who was in his SUV with his wife and 2 year old who bumped into a motorcyclist and then was surrounded by ~100 other motorcyclists that were participating in the 'ride' (which btw was to stop traffic on the highway so they could have an unsanctioned stunt show - fucking dummies). In a panic the driver tried to drive off, hit another motorcyclist, then was caught up to had his window smashed in and was pulled out of his car and beaten. If I put myself in that motorists shoes, I am not entirely sure what I would do, mob mentality being an absolutely REAL thing - I wouldn't take my chances.

    Lastly, (EDIT) Critical Mass SF* seems dumb and it's participants appear to have particularly dickish behavior.

    TL;DR cyclist is madbro who demands authority on the road (unsuccessfully) and driver is asianlady.
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    welp, you really absolved yourself with that onei mean that looks like a 10 cat bag, easy
    • CommentAuthorThreePete
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2015 edited
     
    tinyhonkshus:welp, you really absolved yourself with that one


    Sarcasm game too strong. My itty bitty brain can't compute.
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    You just concluded your long-winded defense of your opinion that a third party is a dipshit and then wrapped it up by invoking a racist stereotype.i mean that looks like a 10 cat bag, easy
    • CommentAuthorThreePete
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2015
     
    It's sexist too because it suggests that the Asian females are worse than Asian males at driving.
    • CommentAuthormauspad
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2015
     
    congratulations, do you want a prize?
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    TIH fucking strep throatDFL and DTF :D:D:D:D
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      CommentAuthorjoeyfresh
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2015
     
    Wow, you got Xue to come out of retirement.We'll get you a cat, don't worry -t-honks
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      CommentAuthorNandy
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2015
     
    I'm just glad people are riled up and posting. Shit's been so slow lately!"life is hard, cats are soft." - surprisefries
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      CommentAuthorjoeyfresh
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2015
     
    ThreePete's head on a stake for PresidentWe'll get you a cat, don't worry -t-honks
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      CommentAuthornerdo
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2015
     
    Madness! Mayhem!Worstcase I'll just zip tie on a seat... but i'd rather not. —Zev (who else)
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      CommentAuthorMorgie
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2015
     
    Back in 2006 I tried corking an intersection during critical mass and a driver love dabbed my rear wheel. My wheel was fucked and the walk home sucked, I never went to critical mass again. CSB
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    Morgie:Back in 2006 I tried corking an intersection during critical mass and a driver love dabbed my rear wheel. My wheel was fucked and the walk home sucked, I never went to critical mass again. CSB


    Essentially why I stopped going to these. Most folks are just fine, but there are assholes riding and assholes driving. When the two meet, it's utter nonsense.

    I'm too old for this shitclockwork ted: this is my favorite thread. sweet BJ alexi!
    • CommentAuthorThreePete
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2015
     
    2016 3Pete for President (in a Futurama head bowl).
    • CommentAuthorben
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2015
     
    Morgie:Back in 2006 I tried corking an intersection during critical mass and a driver love dabbed my rear wheel. My wheel was fucked and the walk home sucked, I never went to critical mass again. CSB
    I had to look up CSB. I'm old.I have DTF pants. They're crotchless. -surprisefries
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    Nandy:No one's ever complained about being inconvenienced by parades or races and all that


    I'm way late to the party but this is absolutely not true. You should hang out at the Pride Parade setup next year. Angry drivers mad about not being able to get Valet parked at Saks Fifth avenue for DAYSNaaaah, too uncool for the #messlyfe. I just like to hang out in loading docks and pretend to talk on my radio so that people will like me. - Mfratt
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      CommentAuthornerdo
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2015
     
    Drivers cork intersections all the time only it's called "blocking the box." Dickish behavior abounds.Worstcase I'll just zip tie on a seat... but i'd rather not. —Zev (who else)
    • CommentAuthorObo
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2015
     
    "Dickish behavior abounds." -- potential sigI ONLY WEAR CAMPY CONDOMS WITH WHITE WRAPS - joeyfresh
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      CommentAuthorNandy
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2015
     
    ^^^ that was the sarcasm. People are complaining machines."life is hard, cats are soft." - surprisefries
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      CommentAuthorbuddymike
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2015
     
    TIH, I got a double flat on Mass ave in Cambridge after bike polo. The road is torn up north of Harvard Sq and I hit a raised gas or water cap with my front and back wheel.
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      CommentAuthorjoeyfresh
    • CommentTimeSep 10th 2015
     
    ben:
    Morgie:Back in 2006 I tried corking an intersection during critical mass and a driver love dabbed my rear wheel. My wheel was fucked and the walk home sucked, I never went to critical mass again. CSB
    I had to look up CSB. I'm old.
    CSB








    (Me too.)We'll get you a cat, don't worry -t-honks
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      CommentAuthorpocky
    • CommentTimeSep 11th 2015
     
    ben:I had to look up CSB. I'm old.

    Me three.

    Anyway, I think the best part of that whole story was that he was arrested outside a Billy Joel concert.::lols at Dan's great photoshopping job:: ::slowly stops laughing:: ::googles:: ::kills self:: -tinyhonkshus
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      CommentAuthorNandy
    • CommentTimeSep 17th 2015
     
    That dumbass who owns Save Our Soles defending the interbike socks. Turns out it's okay because they also employ ladies and it's really because the trade show is in Vegas and we all know how liberal and feminist that town is. If only they'd move it to some backwards conservative city they wouldn't have been forced to make those socks, but apparently everyone loves Vegas and demands they host Interbike! lol"life is hard, cats are soft." - surprisefries
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      CommentAuthorpocky
    • CommentTimeSep 18th 2015
     
    Sockgate linked here.

    It's too bad, they could have saved themselves from that whole fiasco by giving out a sock depicting half-naked *men* when people came to their booth to request the other half of the pair. Sure, it's still objectification so it wouldn't really help if objectification in and of itself is the problem, but it would have been a much better choice.::lols at Dan's great photoshopping job:: ::slowly stops laughing:: ::googles:: ::kills self:: -tinyhonkshus
    • CommentAuthorben
    • CommentTimeSep 18th 2015
     
    They also could have apologized, instead of saying "Stop being such babies; it's vegas so we have to make socks with naked ladies you feminazis."I have DTF pants. They're crotchless. -surprisefries
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      CommentAuthorNandy
    • CommentTimeSep 18th 2015
     
    Good article, but I fucking hate it when people pretend women's cycling has never been a thing instead of being intentionally dismantled by the dudes in power.
    From the Glamour piece: "Over on GearJunkie, Sean McCoy points out that bicycling as an industry and a sport have both traditionally been dominated by men. In fact, women are barred from racing in the Tour de France—the sport's most high-profile competition—and are, instead, relegated to the one-day La Course, organized by Tour de France owners Amaury Sport Organization. But bicycling is a growing pursuit among women—and, by and large, the bike industry is eager to tap into the women's market."

    Actual history:
    ""When it was in its heyday, it really was the toughest race in every sense – it was a jewel in the calendar of women's cycling," [Nicole Cooke] says. "It was two weeks long; it had mountain stages in the Pyrenees and the Alps; it was an absolute killer in terms of the distances, the stages, the competition. It really was a brilliant showcase of women's cycling."
    Cooke first took part in La Grande Boucle in 2002, when it was still two weeks long; however, by the time she won in 2006 and 2007, the women's race was greatly diminished and it ceased to exist in 2009.
    "There just hasn't been the support from the Union Cycliste Internationale [UCI, cycling's governing body]," she says. "In fact, to destabilise it, they passed rules reducing the maximum length of the stages. There's been a gradual wearing away of a lot of things which were great about women's cycling.""

    Now it's all "oh, how can we make it look like we're trying to include women? Let's put flowers on everything! Jeez, those ladies are so sensitive, if you come to Vegas expect to be insulted. Everyone knows they don't ride bikes anyway""life is hard, cats are soft." - surprisefries
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      CommentAuthorNandy
    • CommentTimeSep 18th 2015
     
    Can we just make Georgena Terry queen of cycling? Or at least give her the power to appoint people who aren't complete shitbags to run these companies and equalize it a bit?"life is hard, cats are soft." - surprisefries
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      CommentAuthorpocky
    • CommentTimeSep 18th 2015 edited
     
    Agreed, but can we also please get the fucking Vermont Teddy Bear Company to move her company back to Rochester???::lols at Dan's great photoshopping job:: ::slowly stops laughing:: ::googles:: ::kills self:: -tinyhonkshus
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      CommentAuthorNandy
    • CommentTimeSep 18th 2015
     
    Also start making sweet bikes again? Looks like they just direct you to Georgena herself who will design you one and have Waterford make it."life is hard, cats are soft." - surprisefries
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      CommentAuthorpocky
    • CommentTimeSep 18th 2015 edited
     
    Yep, apparently when you know a lot about how to sell teddy bears, you move the whole fucking company to Vermont and then decide you can't make enough money off of $1000 mass-produced women's bikes so you're just going to sell saddles and clothing from now on, because the only people who really want a well-made women's bike are few and exclusive enough to spend $3500+ on one from Georgena herself, and the only thing you can really sell to female cyclists is some Terry clothes and a Terry saddle to go on their pink Trek hybrid.::lols at Dan's great photoshopping job:: ::slowly stops laughing:: ::googles:: ::kills self:: -tinyhonkshus
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      CommentAuthorNandy
    • CommentTimeSep 18th 2015
     
    :c I hate everything.

    Nat's new shop is a trek dealer, and their lineup of "women's" road bikes is laughable. They have a 56cm that looks pretty normal, then all the smaller ones next to it are noticeably more upright and stupidly designed. The funny part is they have you do a sales training program, and in the mountain bike part they're all "smaller riders will find 26" wheels preferable because it keeps the frame in proportion".

    I DON'T GET WHY MORE LADIES DON'T BUY OUR GARBAGE PRODUCTS YOU GUYS, WE PUT SILLY GRAPHICS ALL OVER THEM! WHAT MORE COULD THEY WANT?"life is hard, cats are soft." - surprisefries
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      CommentAuthorpocky
    • CommentTimeSep 18th 2015 edited
     
    Here, have a Vermont fucking Teddy Bear. It will make you feel betterworse.

    Thanks for taking a great company out of Rochester and then turning it into something completely different from its founder's mission, you horrible fucking bear.::lols at Dan's great photoshopping job:: ::slowly stops laughing:: ::googles:: ::kills self:: -tinyhonkshus
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    It is pretty weird how it's like "If the women are over 5'4" we shall consider them official Mens and build them okay bikes" like height is a measure of interest in bikes.

    I sort of understand the Terry thing though - like Pocky sez, if you're deep enough into bikes to know there are options besides off-the-shelf, you're unlikely to ONLY know about Terry semi-custom. I dunno, in my experience, if you're like "I think I want to ride bikes, but none of these fit me", you're just gonna walk away, not drop 2k for one that fits. I was lucky and got to use my grandma's bike for several months before committing.i mean that looks like a 10 cat bag, easy
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      CommentAuthorNandy
    • CommentTimeSep 18th 2015
     


    They could sell a decent fucking production bike for the price of like 10 of those stupid teddy bears."life is hard, cats are soft." - surprisefries
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    pocky:Sockgate linked here.

    It's too bad, they could have saved themselves from that whole fiasco by giving out a sock depicting half-naked *men* when people came to their booth to request the other half of the pair. Sure, it's still objectification so it wouldn't really help if objectification in and of itself is the problem, but it would have been a much better choice.

    That would have been pretty funny.Naaaah, too uncool for the #messlyfe. I just like to hang out in loading docks and pretend to talk on my radio so that people will like me. - Mfratt
    • CommentAuthorObo
    • CommentTimeSep 22nd 2015
     
    ^^totally stealing that gifI ONLY WEAR CAMPY CONDOMS WITH WHITE WRAPS - joeyfresh
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      CommentAuthorpocky
    • CommentTimeSep 27th 2015
     
    I gave a shitty audition today. It's been a long time since I last felt like I really bombed an audition.

    There are a number of explanations for this that I could think of, the most obvious one being that maybe I shouldn't ever schedule an audition for *after* a staging rehearsal where I'm getting physically pinned down and strangled by the baritone, because even though I was marking (not singing full out) to save my voice during the rehearsal, all that physical struggling and writhing around probably wasn't the best choice before an audition. It's also likely that having warmed up, then done a 1.5 hour commute, then a 2 hour rehearsal, and THEN the audition, is too much time between warmup and singing. It's also likely that I psyched myself out when my pianist said "Oh, the audition is in THAT room? That room is dead as a doornail. Nobody ever sings well in that room", and by the time I actually sang in there and felt like I was totally feeling fine, I was already second-guessing myself and my head just wasn't in it. I also probably didn't eat enough beforehand. I think I just did everything wrong today.

    On the upside, I gave a really great audition on Friday for a different thing, and the show that I'm down here rehearsing is going extremely well and I know I am sounding like a million bucks in that. Maybe this is the universe's way of balancing that and keeping me humble.::lols at Dan's great photoshopping job:: ::slowly stops laughing:: ::googles:: ::kills self:: -tinyhonkshus
    • CommentAuthorben
    • CommentTimeSep 28th 2015
     
    You can't win 'em all. Sounds like a lot of reasons it didn't go well (if I tried to do any of those things before a job interview I think i'd bomb it too) but you also now know for next time.

    TIH that the sidewall blew out yesterday on a tire with less than 50 miles on it. At the start of a 42 mile ride.I have DTF pants. They're crotchless. -surprisefries
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      CommentAuthorjoeyfresh
    • CommentTimeSep 29th 2015
     
    Boo to both.We'll get you a cat, don't worry -t-honks
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      CommentAuthorpocky
    • CommentTimeOct 6th 2015
     
    Why do the no-compromises-eliminate-all-gun-access folks love to tout the idea that guns were invented for killing but cars were not, so the whole "why not eliminate all cars?" analogy is meaningless, because cars are warm and fuzzy and OK and the fact that they *happen* to be fantastic killing machines is completely irrelevant, just get rid of all the guns, guns are bad, cars are good.

    Frankly, I would feel much safer eliminating all cars and not changing a damn thing about existing gun laws.
    Don't get me wrong, I want to see better gun control too, but the absolutists on any side of any argument always manage to really piss me off.

    You know what would really make a difference? Better EDUCATION for everyone. Gun violence and drunk driving are symptoms, they are not the cause of the problem. Education is the one thing that is proven to do a good job of fixing the problem at its source.::lols at Dan's great photoshopping job:: ::slowly stops laughing:: ::googles:: ::kills self:: -tinyhonkshus
    • CommentAuthorJimmyJ
    • CommentTimeOct 6th 2015
     
    really?

    i mean i'm no expert but aren't guns actually designed to kill, or incapacitate and harm?
    and cars for transport?

    like there is no purpose for a weapon other than to inflict or threaten pain.

    the rest of you argument whatever....both are clearly a lost cause at the moment.
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      CommentAuthorNandy
    • CommentTimeOct 6th 2015
     
    They both kill about 32,000 people in the US each year and people seem similarly resistant to regulating either. TL:DR Americans love death and ignorance?

    But yeah, guns are scary (there was a late-night double shooting down the street a few weeks ago) but I'm way more scared of the drivers around my house."life is hard, cats are soft." - surprisefries
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      CommentAuthorpocky
    • CommentTimeOct 6th 2015 edited
     
    Of course guns were designed to kill (tasty and/or overpopulated animals as well as humans in cases of war or crime). Cars are not designed to kill, but they do a pretty damn good job of it. What the thing was designed for is irrelevant to what it is capable of doing. Remember, Viagra was designed as a heart medication.

    My philosophy is to support legislation that works to keep guns (and cars) out of the hands of those who are irresponsible. Both in terms of background checks and cracking down on illegal gun trade. But the recent shootings where guns were obtained legally, and the recent lack of prosecution of drivers who've killed people, both clearly show we are doing a piss-poor job of this.

    Is the best way to fix this to pull both guns and cars out of everyone's hands except those of the police? I don't know the answer to that. But I do feel it would be hypocritical to pull guns out of everyone's hands without also pulling cars out of everyone's hands. How about alcohol, while we're at it? If we are going to look at megadeaths, guns are not the biggest problem.

    I have friends who own guns and I have slept in their homes and I know how well they've trained and I know how well those guns are locked up. They hunt and shoot target practice. Is it also their Second Amendment right to have those guns to defend themselves in the event of a home invasion? I have a hard time trying to parse the text of that amendment in any other way. There's no amendment guaranteeing anyone the right to keep and bear cars.::lols at Dan's great photoshopping job:: ::slowly stops laughing:: ::googles:: ::kills self:: -tinyhonkshus