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    I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO BELIEVE.You're purposefully attempting to sabotage my degree project. Thanks.
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    fox should be taken to task for that. serious bullshit.
    • CommentAuthorBAUMANN
    • CommentTimeApr 8th 2010
     
    ^agreed. but its not technically FOX, just this sara underwood person, on twitter (not a news outlet, sorry folks).

    also, i have no idea FOR SURE that what my friend told me is true, it is just what he was told by his mother who works at the newton police department. she may have overheard it from someone who didn't know what the deal is.

    either way, the public won't know before the family does, so we just have to stay tuned I suppose...RIDE METAL
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    :[ this sucks

    somebody light a candle for mesomebody turn the lights off on this place already.
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    There was a decent turnout. I'm sure someone will post the pics.All you white kids look alike when you're still covered in baby fat, so I was getting bored with the non-stop WASP parade.
    • CommentAuthortristan
    • CommentTimeApr 8th 2010
     
    Good showing tonight. I saw so many faces that I've never seen before, which made it really feel like the community as a whole was coming together. I was proud to call myself a cyclist tonight. Thanks for showing up everyone - I hope we can get some pictures of the turnout to Eric's family, so they know we are there in spirit, if not in body.ascott430 - "Was going to build it up into a fixed gear until I realized I'd rather spend money and time on mountain bikes."
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    Still seems unclear what's up with the cyclist today, a number of news sources are saying he's alive but in the hospital.

    I can't help but wonder if this is going to all end up getting blamed on cyclists' bad behavior... Menino's already making comments about everyone obeying the rules of the road.
    • CommentAuthorpete
    • CommentTimeApr 8th 2010
     
    Hope everyone made it home safe. Take care of each other.

    Swung by Charles & Beacon afterward. Nothing there except two boquets of yellow flowers tied to a lamppost on the island in the middle of the intersection.
    • CommentAuthorben
    • CommentTimeApr 8th 2010 edited
     
    Guys, let's get some pictures to his family, ok?I have DTF pants. They're crotchless. -surprisefries
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      CommentAuthorstilgar
    • CommentTimeApr 8th 2010
     
    if someone sends them to me I can publish them broadly and also send them along to other sources with safety/awareness messaging attached

    shane@bostonbiker.org/shane@massbike.orgthis wont hurt a bit...
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    ben:Guys, let's get some pictures to his family, ok?

    Contact info for the church where the memorial / funeral is going to be held is below. They should be able to give pics to family, or put some directly in touch with them.

    St. Mary’s Catholic Church
    783 Dartmouth St
    South Dartmouth, MA 02748
    (508) 992-7163
    info@stmarysdartmouth.orgAll you white kids look alike when you're still covered in baby fat, so I was getting bored with the non-stop WASP parade.
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      CommentAuthorChicagoKarl
    • CommentTimeApr 8th 2010 edited
     

    some photos on there.
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    I don't know if this was posted yet, but Eric was a 2009 graduate of computer engineering at Wentworth. I happened to be at the scene yesterday and was told by a bystander that the incident started when his tire got stuck in the T tracks.. the rest you can fill in. This is the worst kind of reminder for everyone to be alert when they're out there riding in traffic. Be safe.
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    You guys did a great job with the memorial. I just drove by.
    Sorry I couldn't make it out tonight.I am Humbert outside the internet, actually.
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    The flowers are really nice. I wish we could include people who knew him in all this. Did anyone come to the installation who did?i mean that looks like a 10 cat bag, easy
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      CommentAuthorTheFall
    • CommentTimeApr 8th 2010
     
    Got some decent video footage. Sent into WHDH (thanks, Dan). Looks like there might be a segment tomorrow evening if the footage is deemed usable. Tonight was really sad, but also beautiful. Buses trying to get past us as fast as they fucking could was really awkward. Good to see you all out there."...except for the SS Urine Fetish..that one can sink to the bottom of the fucking ocean." -Gilbert
    • CommentAuthorBAUMANN
    • CommentTimeApr 8th 2010
     
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    THis line was in the Globe today: "MBTA officials said cyclists have not complained to them about the trolley tracks in that area."

    Send in your complaints here: MBTA officials said cyclists have not complained to them about the trolley tracks in that area.

    MBTA needs to hear this, if nobody has reported it to them
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      CommentAuthorlukwam
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
     
    Globe article:

    Cyclists urging safety measures after fatal crash

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2010/04/09/bike_safety_efforts_in_spotlight_after_fatal_crash/

    "Yesterday, another rider was taken to Massachusetts General Hospital after a crash with a car at Beacon and Charles streets at the edge of Boston Common, Boston police said. The 37-year-old unidentified man had life-threatening injuries, police spokesman Eddy Chrispin said last night. Chrispin said the man underwent surgery, but he did not know his condition."
    • CommentAuthorben
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
     
    I was about to post the same article. It's written pretty well and includes some more information about the crash, including saying that the tracks were deemed to not be a factor.I have DTF pants. They're crotchless. -surprisefries
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    keepitreal:THis line was in the Globe today: "MBTA officials said cyclists have not complained to them about the trolley tracks in that area."

    Send in your complaints here: MBTA officials said cyclists have not complained to them about the trolley tracks in that area.

    MBTA needs to hear this, if nobody has reported it to them


    can someone post an email to mail complaints to?
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      CommentAuthorlukwam
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
     
    I honestly think phone calls might be the best rather than emails, but all the numbers are here as well as a contact form:

    http://www.mbta.com/customer_support/contact/
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      CommentAuthorlukwam
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
     
    The Herald article:

    Gruesome wrecks raise concerns for cyclists

    http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view.bg?articleid=1245827
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      CommentAuthordeadbolt
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
     
    i'm just now seeing all this. you guys are awesome. nice work.
    i'll make it a point to stop by the memorial this weekend.

    wow. my friends are really somethin'Mattia: "I don''t usually watch porn with pickaxe, but when I do it, I make sure to be on the right website"
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    feel the need for an endorphin rush?
    read the comments after the herald article (which also says that the biker "struck a Honda head-on," not vice versa).
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    The early reports made it sound like the driver wasn't charged... based on the photos it looked like they were making the left off of Charles Street onto Beacon headed up Beacon Hill and the cyclist was coming down the hill on Beacon?

    That seems to suggest the driver had a green arrow, which would imply, if the cyclist were coming down the hill, that the cyclist was running a red.

    In that situation I think it's fair to say the cyclist struck the car (clearly they impacted eachother, but regardless).
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      CommentAuthorratattack
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
     
    but if you look at the pictures posted earlier in this thread (reposted below), the car is in the left lane of the oncoming traffic. as in, they made a very sharp turn cutting across the left lane of traffic to make the left turn into the right lane. so from that, it looks like the cyclist was hit as they approached the intersection. they weren't into the intersection enough to be running the light.
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    ^I figured that was what happened. I've been going down that hill once or twice and seen that exact same thing happen. it's an illegal turn if I'm not mistaken (which I might be).Naaaah, too uncool for the #messlyfe. I just like to hang out in loading docks and pretend to talk on my radio so that people will like me. - Mfratt
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      CommentAuthorZomar
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010 edited
     
    The picture shows that the car is in the wrong lane and more than half of it is past the crosswalk already.

    It seems (from what I've read and seen) like the biker was riding down the hill on Beacon St, it's a pretty steep and long hill so he may have been going fast. I don't think it is fair to suggest he was running a red light. He could have easily been going fast down the hill and preparing to come to a quick stop at the bottom, and then the turning car came into his lane, through the cross walk, and hit him while he was prepping to stop/slowing down. The car also could have ran a red light and he had a green, so was going through the intersection (at the base of the hill) at like 20mph+. Not sure if there is an official report, but many things could have happened. Point is, all we seem to know is that the car is in the wrong lane and driving in the opposite direction, and as a result, killed a cyclist. I don't think it is fair to assume the cyclist was running a light and thus point blame at the cyclist. For even if the cyclist was running a light, that is not the cause of his death, the unsafe and illegal turning of the car was, focusing on whether or not he ran a light is not the right thing to focus on, it's like asking "was she wearing a helmet" after someone gets hit by a car going 60mph.

    Does anyone know if charges have been placed against the driver in this crash?

    start rant:

    It really saddens/sickens/frightens me that car drivers receive hardly any punishment in the US for killing a cyclist. How many cases has there been of a driver killing a cyclist, being at fault, and getting a traffic ticket for an "illegal turn" or "dangerous passing" or some bs like that? Drivers have seemingly nothing to fear when it comes to hitting a cyclist. In fact, running someone over is the BEST way to kill someone if you don't want to face any repercussions. I've heard that in England(I think it's here?) the more massive vehicle is always at fault: car->bicycle->pedestrian (aside from blatantly obvious cases where a cyclist rear ends a car, etc). A driver of a car is driving a deadly weapon in regards to anything smaller than it, and we need to start treating it like that and drivers need to start realizing that. It's a drivers responsibility to not run into people, we'll probably never know for sure if the cyclist was running a light, or the driver was, or who is really at fault blah blah blah and therefore I believe the car should ALWAYS be at fault. A bike can't hurt a car driver. A car can kill a cyclist/ped in a split second and not feel a thing.
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      CommentAuthordora
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
     
    ChicagoKarl:
    some photos on there.


    you guys are all amazingly sweet and thoughtful
    this will mean the world to his family

    i'm sorry i couldn't come out but i'll stop by this weekend to light a candle for himMust be awful, being so fluffy.
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    ^^^last i knew there was a left turn arrow at that intersection where the car was coming out of... and although it does look like the car cut the turn short, it also looks like the incident occurred in/before the crosswalk and therefore after the stop line for the cyclist. it seems likely that there was fault on both parties. the car may also have tried to swerve to miss the cyclist and ended up farther into the opposite lane than they were originally traveling.

    also, thanks everyone for the support/solidarity at the vigil... sorry i couldn't make it to join you guys.
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      CommentAuthorjoeyfresh
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010 edited
     
    After two cyclists dying in two days, a memorial for someone we didn't know, and seeing 40 people show up to acknowledge that it could have been them, this is foremost in my mind now: "These accidents have taught me something very important, I am NEVER putting your convenience or perceived right to rule the city above my right to be safe and get to work alive. I am going to take the whole lane when I need to and if you don't like it then advocate for better bike lanes or bike paths." (from the comments in the Herald article) And also: if you don't get a helmet and lights, I'm going to punch you.We'll get you a cat, don't worry -t-honks
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    (^@tiny) i think its unfair to speculate at all, which is what a lot of this thread has been. I didn't mean to imply that one or the other was at fault, but rather, that neither was as of yet.
    what i did mean to point was out the subtle bias (that the herald is famous for) and how this might effect my, and our, personal experience. clearly, the readers of the herald aren't questioning who was at fault. in fact, the blame has immediately been transferred to all urban cyclists.
    • CommentAuthorben
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
     
    Do we know he died?

    Als, keep in mind the car would have needed some distance to stop, and likely hit the cyclist before the crosswalk and may even have swerved into the other lane as a result of the collision.I have DTF pants. They're crotchless. -surprisefries
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      CommentAuthorDan Roch
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010 edited
     
    Wow after reading the comments on the herald site it makes me realize how much people just don't understand cycling laws. I think I read "stay out of the road!" more than 2 dozen times. Do they just not pay attention to those signs on the street that say "share the road" and the circle/bike with the slash through it on sidewalks in cambridge? I wish there was a way to better inform the dumb asses out there that think bikes don't belong on pavement.

    the problem is that when ever biking is in the news around here its when something bad happened.. Then people take that and think why are they on the road? Then in their cars they swerve and honk at us. I own a car, I've never felt inconvenienced by a novice rider swerving a bit or a biker cutting in front of me to avoid something.Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaning they are unemployed - Prince Philip during the recession in 1981
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    sometimes i read herald articles just for the comments. exhilarating. i think it's also frustrating to everyone that all we have to go on is speculation right now. it's sure frustrating me...
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    Thank you B-fixed, thank you.

    [:|][all your base are belong to us]
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      CommentAuthordeadbolt
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
     
    wow. the comments are killing me.
    i'm trying to stay calm.
    TRYING to stay calm.
    gotta remember though, that it's not like it's really automobiles VS bicycles in this city, but really, it's automobiles VS everyone. youknowwhati'msayin?
    i see drivers acting aggressive towards other drivers AND peds as well, that's just the way it is in this city. it's certainly not right, but- the way it is isn't gonna change any time soon and we just need to think for ourselves. take care of ourselves. don't make stupid last-second decisions, plan ahead, give yourself enough time, and do your best to agree with traffic (of the foot or vehicular persuasion.)Mattia: "I don''t usually watch porn with pickaxe, but when I do it, I make sure to be on the right website"
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    The whole notion of figuring out where to put the blame in a situation like this is fucked up, especially when people try to place blame on the cyclist. I don't care if someone is riding down the double yellow, stark naked, no hands, blindfolded...nobody deserves to die. Plus, the inherent disparity in killing power / vehicle protection makes it such that when autos and bikes collide, autos will always win. The implications of a bike running a red are not the same of an auto running a red. It's unlikely (tho it does happen) that a biker will kill someone. In any case, deeply regrettable and saddening to hear and read the types of things that are said following people's deaths.I thought that might be you! But there was no shimmy-shake so I couldn't be sure.
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      CommentAuthorDan Roch
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010 edited
     
    ^^agreed there's no quick fix.. and you can't tell all the drivers in boston to stop following so close and to give way to the person infront of them (Car or Bike).. This is why I miss riding in my home town when I was younger.. cars would give you about 10ft on all sides at all times though I also lived in the middle of no where...

    Also sure we run reds sometimes.. (I only do after stopping or slowing way down) But I've seen more cars running reds lately then I've seen in awhile, I get out of work at 10pm (news ugh) and I see alot of people blowing lights, so you can't figure if there's no one around and your light is green your safe.. I don't decrease my speed but I still look both ways.Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaning they are unemployed - Prince Philip during the recession in 1981
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    I concede your point Lauren, I should've looked at the photo again more closely. It doesn't appear he was running the red (although, I have some doubt, even not wearing a helmet, that he'd end up at MGH if the cyclist wasn't still going pretty fast at that point... fast enough that one might presume he was setting up to run the light).

    No one else need conjecture, I feel comfortable doing so. Early news reports said the driver wasn't charged... clearly that can change (particularly once the cyclist is able to give his side of the story), but it seems to suggest the left hand turn signal on Charles wasn't red. At that time of day I'd think the motorist wasn't the only person on Charles in a position to see the light.

    But clearly it's entirely possible that the motorist ran or pushed the light.

    So far news reports say the cyclist on Beacon wasn't killed. Seriously injured.
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      CommentAuthordora
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010 edited
     
    not to conjure up the portland argument again but when i was there in february i noticed a lot of people wearing patches/stickers on their bikes, bags, jackets, whatever that stated the laws regarding cyclists, particularly the 'allow cyclists 3 feet clearance on either side' law.

    maybe we should start busting out stuff like that.

    i think it's kind of nerdy but, fuck it, it's an instant way to make the ignorant dinkuses aware of the lawsMust be awful, being so fluffy.
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    All the articles im reading about the beacon st accident say that the 37 year old man has undergone surgery and his current condition is unknown. im hoping this means hes still with us.

    i got a kick out of this one:
    "So if one of these spandex wearing jokers smashes into my car does he have insurance to cover it?"'Cause i always say i love you when i mean turn out the lights.
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      CommentAuthorZomar
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010 edited
     
    ^^^ (@tiny) even if you have a green light, you can't go into an oncoming lane and hit something head on. The angle of the car seems to indicate that the car was NOT in the correct lane and then "swerved" into the oncoming lane. The angle of the car indicates that it took the turn too sharply and hit something while in or then went in the wrong/oncoming lane. Also the way the windshield is shattered (see another picture) indicates that the crash was head on and not at a large angle of impact. Thus because of the angle of the car in the picture and the shattered windshield, I conclude that the car turned sharply into the wrong/oncoming lane and hit the cyclist nearly head on.

    Dan Roch:I see alot of people blowing lights, so you can't figure if there's no one around and your light is green your safe.. I don't decrease my speed but I still look both ways.


    +1
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      CommentAuthorStinky Cheez
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010 edited
     
    And arguably people take that turn too sharp all the time. Based on the photos we can't tell whether anyone was coming from the other side of Charles turning right to come up Beacon. I have to ask, how familiar are you with that intersection? I would suggest the pedestrian island requires cars turning left to go up Beacon often leads to cars cutting in too soon.

    In the world of conjecturing I'd also suggest we don't really know how the bicycle and car struck, I wouldn't say we have enough information to definitively say the car struck the cyclist head-on.

    Part of running lights responsibly is understanding the light sequences and typical motorist behavior at the intersection (not directed at this poor guy, just a general comment).
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      CommentAuthorZomar
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
     
    tiny:I have to ask, how familiar are you with that intersection?


    not super familiar. I go through it maybe once a week. I'm not over there a ton.

    I really like how involved everyone is with this thread.
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      CommentAuthordas
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
     
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't making a Left hand turn from Charles St. onto Beacon illegal anyway, which would put the driver at fault? Just curious.

    Thoughs going out to the families and friends of the fallen.

    Be safe out there ya'll!formerly hoot!
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    trying to get a street level shot of it...might be dated but it's got a left turn arrow...
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      CommentAuthorwest.
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010 edited
     
    Coming down Charles St (a one way road) towards the Commons, you can either take a right onto Beacon or a left onto Beacon. Coming from the street opposite Charles, you have the exact same situation.

    It looks like the cyclist was bombing down Beacon, the Civic was turning left from Charles onto Beacon, tried to avoid the cyclist and ended up where it did. The only thing that is up in the air is who had the right of way. From watching other people at that intersection, and from my own personal experience, I'd say there is a good chance the cyclist ran the red light or tried to catch the end of a yellow.

    Any definite news on his condition one way or the other?unstuck in time
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      CommentAuthorstilgar
    • CommentTimeApr 9th 2010
     
    i was there yesterday, for that car to be where it is in that picture, it would have taken that turn REALLY sharp. Now this doesn't say who had the light, or who was running what, but it is very clear from the impact zone that this car clipped someone in the left lane (there are two lanes going down the hill, and one going up) as they were turning left to go up the hill. they took the turn way to sharp and the person flew into the front window. You cant get an impact like that any other way (you don't make a dent like that in the windshield if you hit from the side). again can't tell who did what when, but what I do know is that car took that turn way to sharply. I just hope this guy lives, and is not a vegetable for the rest of his life...this wont hurt a bit...