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      CommentAuthorbrunop
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    http://fireflybicycles.com/443

    want.
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      CommentAuthorseanile mick
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011 edited
     
    am i the only one who thinks $3,750 for custom steel is a bit inflated?somebody turn the lights off on this place already.
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      CommentAuthorBuckley!
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    You wouldn't be shit talking the price if it had Independent Fabrications on the downtube.The kid's gotta learn that the game never lets up.
    • CommentAuthorgc
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011 edited
     
    Mick:am i the only one who thinks $3,750 for custom steel is a bit inflated?

    xcr is a bit more complicated to weld than regular custom steel
    there's a reason only a couple builders in the country are using itgone
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    That's not just steel, that's Columbus Stainless, built by expert builders. Also, that's a fucking 800 dollar fork they're throwing on.Naaaah, too uncool for the #messlyfe. I just like to hang out in loading docks and pretend to talk on my radio so that people will like me. - Mfratt
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    Stupid thought, but I know he had a space out in that vicinity, and knows at least some of those folks... was that the space Cave Dave was using previously?
    • CommentAuthorboundgear
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    Been waiting for this information. Fan-Fucking-Tastic
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    (buckley):You wouldn't be shit talking the price if it had Independent Fabrications on the downtube.
    no i probably would, though i don't think "a bit inflated" counts as "shit talking". but graham's xcr explanation was a good justification.somebody turn the lights off on this place already.
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      CommentAuthorBuckley!
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    You're always just trying to pick an argument with me, dude. I don't know what I did.

    I'm real excited to see Tyler start up something else in Boston. They're gonna do great stuff. I would be more stoked to see it in Somerville, but he's totally just moving it closer to home and you can't blame a dude for that.The kid's gotta learn that the game never lets up.
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    ...if that's your interpretation of me trying to argue, then you need to loosen up a bit.somebody turn the lights off on this place already.
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      CommentAuthorBuckley!
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    ...flying off the handle.

    Seriously, people. Sell your jeep and buy a bike from these dudes.The kid's gotta learn that the game never lets up.
    • CommentAuthorowen
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    Hey, that Firefly XCR bike is a hundred bucks cheaper than the IF one, and it's built by the exact same people as the IF one was the last few years. It's a fucking deal. Save your pennies.
    • CommentAuthorben
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    Mick:am i the only one who thinks $3,750 for custom steel is a bit inflated?

    No.I have DTF pants. They're crotchless. -surprisefries
    • CommentAuthorBAUMANN
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011 edited
     
    Craiginpictures:Also, that's a fucking 800 dollar fork they're throwing on.
    its a $400 fork.

    ben:
    Mick:am i the only one who thinks $3,750 for custom steel is a bit inflated?

    No.
    i also think its pretty steep considering the other local options that are available (i thought this about IF as well), even if the frames are being welded by some of the most talented folks in the country...there is a lot of talent within 30 miles of boston...RIDE METAL
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    I understanding tubing is not everything, but are they offering XCr frames from people who've been involved in building bikes for 15+ years? (I don't actually know anything about the welders, but Jamie was involved with IF for about that long).

    I mean, at least they aren't $3k track bikes people use to tool around town on...

    Anyway, the way I look at it is these are dentist-bikes. Some day I may make money and be largely free of my studentloans... maybe then I'll get me something like this. At this point in my life there's no real difference between a $3800 frame and fork and a $1800 frame and fork anyway. Both are pipe dreams, and broke is broke.
    • CommentAuthorBAUMANN
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    ^ well said.RIDE METAL
    • CommentAuthorslowski
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011 edited
     
    in my opinion $3,750 seems like a reasonable price for a small company to pay themselves the decent wage that they deserve for being skilled professionals. I honestly don't think the "other local" builders you are comparing them to charge enough for their work, and there are reasons for that as well, the biggest one being they are not offering the same thing.

    edit: I hope to see the price rise soon and significantly.If at first you don't succeed... you fail.
    • CommentAuthorboundgear
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    $3750 is not even 2 custom suits. http://www.raymondpersonaltailor.com/

    Which would last longer?
    • CommentAuthorBAUMANN
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    ^^ and ^, good points. i think it just all comes down to who you want riding your bikes.RIDE METAL
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    i reckon $3750 is reasonable enough all things considered. and if i'm going high-end steel frame i'd rather put my faith in guys who have been in the business a long time and have a track record of doing impeccable work than joe schmoe who took a few welding classes and wants ~$1000 for a 'custom steel frame'.
    i could definitely see firefly sponsoring a small pro-1-2 road race or select elite cross race team, getting in on the rapha continental thing, and/or being part of this whole throwback high end steel with modern components race bike thing i see happening; but otherwise it seems like their day-to-day buyer is gonna be the same 35+/45+ more-than-a-fred/not-a-serious-racer who's also in the market for an IF, rivendell, bilenky steel bike.

    either way, and whether i have the money or not, i don't see myself ever owning one.
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    I'm sure a fair bit of research went into their price points. $3,750 isn't wildly high, but what is more expensive? Vanilla and Sachs? I think it's a bit high for a new company, but I don't know shit about IF or their builders. Seems like you'd have to have a lot of prior knowledge about these guys before spending that much. If they're as nice as all of you seem to think, then maybe that's a fair price. Start up costs for small custom companies like this are ridiculous, not too mention hard to fund through loans. Hell, I wish I knew how much they actually projected they'd produce in a year. Their production capacity and market is probably pretty small.

    I do find it funny though, what with the mention of custom suits being mentioned. There's a lot of shit talked about pricing on designer/custom clothes, but you get something that is designed for you that fits your exact needs and desired aesthetic. This is why I could justify spending +5k on a bespoke or Saville Row suit. Superfluous fabrics and materials beget exorbitant pricing, both in bikes and clothing. Firefly's XCR = Tom Ford's vicuna.Young, dumb, and full of cum.
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    anyone know how many frames a company like IF or seven makes per year?
    • CommentAuthorowen
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    BAUMANN
    i also think its pretty steep considering the other local options that are available (i thought this about IF as well), even if the frames are being welded by some of the most talented folks in the country...there is a lot of talent within 30 miles of boston...

    Yeah but there's only one other builder around here (igleheardt) that works with that stuff. Stainless tubing doesn't weld like normal steel, as was said before. Also that tube set is pretty crazy expensive if I remember correctly.
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      CommentAuthorDan Roch
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011 edited
     
    I think they need to make a few frames and or complete builds for friends or family or some one willing to pay 2000$ but not $3950 just to get some product shots I wanna see their bikes. Not knowing what they look like / what they could look like would be a deciding factor for me..

    Though as far as I know they are already doing this. Or even doing this for the first few months to get sales in would be smart. But they may not have that problem who knows.Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaning they are unemployed - Prince Philip during the recession in 1981
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      CommentAuthorratattack
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    i think they're in a fairly unique position. IF isn't quite the same IF anymore as i think what, only 1 guy is making the move to NH with them? and that's because that dude already lives in NH. a lot of people were looking/hoping for a new framebuilding company to come out of the transition and there has been a ton of chatter and excitement that's come out of firefly announcing their existence.

    they have years of experience, they have reputations as impeccable builders, and people know that they were IF. they aren't in the same position of most of the local builders we know whose frames we own, who relied on heavily discounting their frames for friends to get their name out there and their handiwork noticed while they were starting up.

    i also think that this is another case of the majority of people on this forum being not the intended market for these frames. the words "high-end" are all over their website. if you want a "high-end" custom stainless steel or ti frames you're going to be paying higher prices for it.
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      CommentAuthorggreggg
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    I am excited for Tyler, Jamie, and Kevin and I'm sure they will produce some amazing work. Another thing to take into account when pondering all these things being pondered is distribution models: IF works only with distributing shops like NYC Velo etc. Firefly says they will be dealing directly with customers which is a VERY VERY VERY different model. BUT they also say they will be working with a few distributors in which case they may only need one to three shops scooping up 10 bikes each to already be in a great spot. These are very smart very capable guys and I very look forward to their pr0n.enjoy two cosmetics
    • CommentAuthorsnotrocket
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    kilgore_trout:anyone know how many frames a company like IF or seven makes per year?


    i believe IF puts out around 600 ish a year

    from the firefly site
    "We were among the first builders to work extensively with stainless steel bikes. Now we expertly use fully custom tube selection and geometry, including the first ever shaped XCr tubing, to dial the ride beyond any precedent."

    not just standard XCR
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      CommentAuthorbrunop
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011 edited
     
    havin' been privileged to own and ride a coupla IF's, i would def save my sheckles for an FF. these guys essentially (along owth 3 or 4 others) WERE IF.
    • CommentAuthorowen
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    Yeah I'm surprised we haven't seen any of teh pr0n yet. Looking forward to it.
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      CommentAuthormrotown
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011 edited
     
    ggreggg: Firefly says they will be dealing directly with customers which is a VERY VERY VERY different model. BUT they also say they will be working with a few distributors in which case they may only need one to three shops scooping up 10 bikes each to already be in a great spot.


    Sounds like they're a bit confused. If they're selling direct to customer's no shop is going to want to touch them. Also, not to be a jerk, but isn't it some poor business decisions that got them in the situation where an outside buyer ended up with a majority stake on what had previously been an employee owned company?e-f-f-e-c-t a smooth operater operating correctly
    • CommentAuthorTyler Evans
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011 edited
     
    You guys are all making me really proud to have made the decision to quit IF, stay in Boston and start Firefly. I have no doubt that there will be tough times, but all of the support from the local community is heartwarming and makes me, Kevin and Jamie totally psyched. We are going to do our best to carry the torch and make Boston the most bad ass bike building city in the world!

    Our aspirations are huge, our resources are limited, but it will be the local voice that will help us get the name out there and show the world that it can be done in Boston. Thanks for the support, and for spreading the word. We are gonna give this thing everything we've got!

    site: http://fireflybicycles.com/
    Tumblr: http://fireflybicycles.tumblr.com/
    twitter: @fireflybicycles.com
    Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Firefly-Bicycles/126838920723087

    Wish us luck. Viva Firefly!

    Thanks, Tyler.
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    How much do these tubesets run?

    To put things in perspective, completely custom BMX frames are $450-$600. Air-hardened, Supertherm, and 41 Thermal tubesets. Titanium ones are around $900.
    It's most likely the market that BMX frame builders cater to, but the builders that make custom frames have more experience than IF. Pricing is so fun!Young, dumb, and full of cum.
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    An XCr tubeset runs about $800, our is shaped, actually the first ever shaped XCr tubeset ever made. The guys at Columbus are good friends and have been awesome about making the tubesets for us. The cost is lightly less than a ti tubeset. Our ti tubeset is going to run us just under $1000, but it will be shaped as well... and oversized where it needs to be. Keep in mind that this doesn't take into account all of the small parts that go into the frame (including dropouts and bb's), those aren't cheap either.
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    ohwin:Yeah I'm surprised we haven't seen any of teh pr0n yet. Looking forward to it.


    I mean this in the most literal, non-snark, curious sense, but have they actually made any bikes yet?i mean that looks like a 10 cat bag, easy
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    That is awesome. I had no idea I would actually receive an answer. Hell, including labor, other parts, and overheard costs, $3,750 is beyond reasonable.
    Fuck yeah.Young, dumb, and full of cum.
    • CommentAuthorBAUMANN
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    ^ agreed. that shaped XCr sounds reaaaaaaaal tasty, with about $1k in materials alone...price is starting to look just about right. viva firefly!RIDE METAL
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      CommentAuthorbrunop
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    FF is IF at it's peak. bottom line. the principles (meanin' the people) are all on board (give or take 3 or 4). but my dealings with IF were with tyler and jamie (and lloyd graves). ya order a whip from FF, yer gettin' an old school IF. so the price is in line.

    what i can never figger is those lance trek plastic whips at international that cost 9000 or more. wtf?

    give me a FF or an old skool 02143 IF or even a seven for less than that.

    when i get some extra cabbage? i'm headin' out to hyde park (or readville) or wherever.
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      CommentAuthorggreggg
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    Viva Firefly fo' sho. Shaped XCR sounds fantastic. Cant put a price on someone who will log in to tell you the cost on a tube set. And MrOtown, a balance of direct sales and select shops is pretty key for ops. of this and comparable sizes. Being such stand up guys I'm sure there are plenty of great relationships with places excited to, as they say, stock that pr0n. (No one actually says that)enjoy two cosmetics
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      CommentAuthorbrunop
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    from here on out, let's differentiate betwixt "02143 IF's" and "portsmouth IF's". to keep confusion at bay. and then go on with FF as a continuation of the REAL (aka "02143") IF's. the REAL IF's are now FF's.

    we all straight?

    agreed?

    ; )
    • CommentAuthorBAUMANN
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    100% agreed.RIDE METAL
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      CommentAuthorBuckley!
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    So is Firefly gonna be having a bike show at that fenway area artspace this year? I could imagine IF ain't gonna do that anymore.The kid's gotta learn that the game never lets up.
    • CommentAuthorgc
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    wish someone would do the same with baileyworksgone
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      CommentAuthorggreggg
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    Some old IF guys are new IF guys. They're all good in my books, as long as- and I'm sorry but I cannot budge on this... They MUST bring teh pr0n.enjoy two cosmetics
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      CommentAuthorbrunop
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    ^they'll bring the porn, duder. full frontal. go easy. . .
    • CommentAuthorboundgear
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    Not that I know a pile of shit about anything, but Firefly is not IF, it's Firefly. IF is a separate company, and good or bad, they're not here anymore.
    Don't burden a new bike co with the yoke of the past-- even if they are ex IF employees. Let them do them.
    • CommentAuthorsnotrocket
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    boundgear:Firefly is not IF, it's Firefly. IF is a separate company, and good or bad, they're not here anymore.
    Don't burden a new bike co with the yoke of the past-- even if they are ex IF employees. Let them do them.



    hell ya
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      CommentAuthorBach~ez
    • CommentTimeFeb 21st 2011
     
    I DEMAND TEH PRON.mrotown: U lock them by the neck to a street sign!
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      CommentAuthorMorgie
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd 2011
     
    grey ham:wish someone would do the same with baileyworks


    from what i hear john b. has a contarctual obligation to not compete for a few years.. but he does plan on making bags again in the not so distant future...
    • CommentAuthorAlex
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd 2011
     
    Can anyone give me a quick catch-up (or link) as to what happened/is happening with IF?

    Also, it should be said that I have nothing but respect for a frame builder who's willing to post the cost of his tubeset on the internet. Now lets see some porn!
    • CommentAuthorgc
    • CommentTimeFeb 22nd 2011 edited
     
    http://bostonfixed.us/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=1021&Focus=220700#Comment_220700

    start there, read down 10 or 15 posts, alexi has a good summary of what went down.gone