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    • CommentAuthormouse
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2011
     
    bike community, im reaching out to you before the doctors in need of advice.

    its been almost 4 years since i bought my first bike (fixed gear) and its been almost a year of this agonizing knee pain. its sharp and localized in the middle of my knee, not the surface and not anywhere more to the front or back. its only when im riding my univega and typically after riding a hill or against wind, pretty much any type of pressure. ive ridden an IRO mark heidi frame and a bianchi pista now and ive only had this problem on my (second) univega.

    okay, so, trouble shooting. ive changed from risers to cruiser bars (eh, more just like a half-circle type bar). ive changed saddles, from a bianchi pista to a no-name italian. i just had the bottom bracket replaced so its now shorter, and the chain ring was changed from a 52 teeth to a 47 teeth (with the rear cog an 18). i ride with clips and always with vans. im not a fast rider at all, or quick, id like to think of this bike as more of a cruiser. i only ride a few miles a day, and not that often as its been too cold (for me!) to ride. i stretch before and after i ride, almost every time. alas...

    anyway, any input? or any websites/videos/anything? maybe i have the wrong geometry of a frame? i read something online recommending clipless pedals? anybody else deal with this? as im sure most of you are much more harder riders than me :)

    i was going to stop by superb and talk to one of the guys (or girls--hey steph!!)there, and after that my next step would see a doctor.

    be nice :)don't take your back or ass off the ground, don't force it, and go real slow.
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    it could be a lot of different things: your FIXED GEAR bicycle, saddle too low, bad fit, need to strengthen the muscles around your knee, or you need to wear orthotics in your shoe. or something else. ive found docs to be not super helpful unless they regularly deal with cyclists.YO NOT EVERYBODY GOES TO EAR SCHOOL OK
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      CommentAuthorxbobeahenx
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2011
     
    Very simply: you need a fit. More importantly, a fit from a bike shop that actually specializes in fit services. Pay for the service, it will help more than you can imagine.

    -Don't eye-ball your saddle height, have it measured and set for you by a professional.

    -Don't eye-ball your knee-over-pedal and saddle fore/aft, have it measured and set for you by a professional.

    -If the shop doesn't have a trained bike fit specialist on staff, go to a new shop that actually values bike fit.

    -Switch to clipless pedals. This will promote a more consistent foot/knee position. However, make sure you have your cleats fit to your foot properly. If you already have knee issues, riding in sneakers can destroy you.

    ps- your bars shouldn't really affect this at all.

    pps- let the nay-sayers begin, I'm sure someone will argue for the sake of it.Except our own thoughts, there is nothing absolutely in our power.
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      CommentAuthorbrunop
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2011
     
    yer askin' us? dude. either rub some fuckin' dirt on it or go see a fuckin' doctor.

    you can't be serious. . .
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      CommentAuthorxbobeahenx
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2011
     
    brunop: rub some fuckin' dirt on it


    This is also a good answer.Except our own thoughts, there is nothing absolutely in our power.
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      CommentAuthorbrunop
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2011
     
    "i was going to stop by superb and talk to one of the guys (or girls--hey steph!!)there, and after that my next step would see a doctor."

    hahahahahahaaaa! yer fuckin' with us, right? for medical advice you were gonna aks superb? hellz bellz! i wouldn't even aks them for bike advice.

    christ almighty. . .
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      CommentAuthorseanile mick
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2011 edited
     
    put your pedals at 9 and 3 oclock and see if your knee caps line up vertically over the pedal spindles, if they don't adjust your saddle to allow that.
    line your cranks up with the seat tube, put your heel on the pedal, if your leg isn't fully extended but not overstretched, change your seatpost height so it is.
    get a brake if you don't have one.

    if none of this works, do that was bob said
    and he's right that your bars won't effect the knees; primarily the torso (back), shoulders, wrists, and neck
    the most effective way to troubleshoot this is to change each of these things individually and see if something helps so then you know for the future what was causing that issue.
    and ive found clipless cause a lot of issues for me if they arent set up perfectly because they can force my feet to weird angles and thus my kneecaps outta whack, but i have sensitive knees to begin with..somebody turn the lights off on this place already.
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    actually bruno, asking my friends for advice on bike stuff has been very helpful.YO NOT EVERYBODY GOES TO EAR SCHOOL OK
    • CommentAuthormouse
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2011
     
    get fitted to a bike huh? well thank you, i never wouldve thought of something like that.

    are there even any shops like that in boston?

    thanks mandon't take your back or ass off the ground, don't force it, and go real slow.
    • CommentAuthormouse
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2011 edited
     
    are YOU GUYS serious? i thought this was a friendly bike forum? of course im not asking for your MD diagnosis, im asking for ADVICE

    unreal.

    and thanks mick. this was the valuable input i was looking for.don't take your back or ass off the ground, don't force it, and go real slow.
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      CommentAuthorseanile mick
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2011 edited
     
    ...yeaa..im sorry, but get used to unwarranted sarcasm, it's the internet.

    and youre welcome haha :]somebody turn the lights off on this place already.
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    why are you being so rude? a proper fit is important. obviously you dont realize that. we all get knee pain and we figure it out by trying different things. all of the suggestions given to you are good.YO NOT EVERYBODY GOES TO EAR SCHOOL OK
    • CommentAuthormouse
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2011
     
    Mick:...yeaa..im sorry, but get used to unwarranted sarcasm, it's the internet.


    ... yer rightdon't take your back or ass off the ground, don't force it, and go real slow.
    • CommentAuthormouse
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2011
     
    banana truffles:why are you being so rude? a proper fit is important. obviously you dont realize that. we all get knee pain and we figure it out by trying different things. all of the suggestions given to you are good.


    im sorry i was coming off as rude, it was only in response to the sarcasm remarks. anyway, you're right i wasnt aware a proper fitting could be possible and also it is all great suggestions. thanks again.don't take your back or ass off the ground, don't force it, and go real slow.
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    okay cool. we really do ALL deal with knee pain at some point. im dealing with round 2 of it right now. luckily i have a friend that can fit me that i can pay with food.YO NOT EVERYBODY GOES TO EAR SCHOOL OK
    • CommentAuthormouse
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2011
     
    bruno, not bob.

    -__-don't take your back or ass off the ground, don't force it, and go real slow.
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    but do you also realize that fixed gear bicycles are terrible for your knees?YO NOT EVERYBODY GOES TO EAR SCHOOL OK
    • CommentAuthormouse
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2011
     
    hah yes, yes i do. i want to try to still find a way to ride until a doctor tells me to stop, ya know.don't take your back or ass off the ground, don't force it, and go real slow.
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    for sure.YO NOT EVERYBODY GOES TO EAR SCHOOL OK
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    SHUSH ELLA. I ride my fixed gear bicycles all the time and i have more knee pain when I ride freewheel so THERE.

    With clipless you can sorta adjust the tension/float too, which may help? Please someone correct/educate me there, I am new to clipless.DFL and DTF :D:D:D:D
    • CommentAuthormouse
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2011 edited
     
    yowsaz! so you're in pain ALL the time? damn. all the power to ya there. maybe I'm a big baby then hah. but the pain gets so bad I end up riding with just one leg. (yeah, I get all the jokes from my rider buds.) almost locks up entire mobility with the leg at it's worst. I suppose if it was something like a dull ache I would suck it up and ride through it anyway.

    I know little about clipless, but dated a clipless rider who made me believe it is better than the clips. I'm curious what other riders have to say about that.don't take your back or ass off the ground, don't force it, and go real slow.
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    Oh i didn't mean to imply it hurts all the time, it's not nearly that bad. It just comes back more frequently when i'm riding freewheel. I know that doesn't make sense given that consensus seems to be that fixed is if anything worse for knees, but it's my experience.

    Dull aches you can ride/run/whatever through, but you should definitely not push it through acute pain.DFL and DTF :D:D:D:D
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      CommentAuthorMungoRocks
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2011
     
    mouse: its only when im riding my univega and typically after riding a hill or against wind, pretty much any type of pressure.
    Don't do that. problem solved.dongpincher 1000
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      CommentAuthorMungoRocks
    • CommentTimeApr 12th 2011
     
    Also, fixed isn't "terrible for your knees", fixed + other issues (ie overgeared, not strong enough, bad form, bad fit, etc) will exacerbate those issues.dongpincher 1000
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    mouse:get fitted to a bike huh? well thank you, i never wouldve thought of something like that.

    are there even any shops like that in boston?

    thanks man

    didn't read the whole thread, but i'd try to adjust the fit yourself first before seeing a shop. professional bike fits ain't cheap.You're purposefully attempting to sabotage my degree project. Thanks.
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      CommentAuthorbrunop
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2011
     
    drive a car.
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      CommentAuthordeadbolt
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2011
     
    it's probably a torn or injured meniscus. you should quit riding for a week or two and take aspirin.
    it's easy to injure it, all you need to do it get lazy with your skidding/skipping a few times and you're done. happens when you strain your joint at an unnatural angle (either putting pressure on or pulling up on it). like if you're turning your knee off to the side a bit when you try to stop or slow down instead of keeping your knee straight.
    if you really must ride, use your brake for a week or two instead of skidding or skipping. it WILL only get worse if you don't give it time to heal.Mattia: "I don''t usually watch porn with pickaxe, but when I do it, I make sure to be on the right website"
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      CommentAuthordeadbolt
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2011
     
    also, begin taking glucosamine on the reg. it really helps.Mattia: "I don''t usually watch porn with pickaxe, but when I do it, I make sure to be on the right website"
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      CommentAuthordeadbolt
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2011
     
    also ALSO, perhaps consider an easier (smaller, less resistant) gear ratioMattia: "I don''t usually watch porn with pickaxe, but when I do it, I make sure to be on the right website"
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    ^^great advice with the glucosamine (& chondroitin)somebody turn the lights off on this place already.
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    yeah... probably best not to listen to anyone who isn't certified in such things because it might only make it worse and they don't know your body.

    go get a real bike fit!
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    If you're in agonizing pain on a regular basis... talking to a doctor probably isn't the worst idea (no offense to us). Clearly it's possible this is just a fit issue seeing it sounds like it didn't start being a problem until you were on your current bike (on the otherhand, perhaps the bike has nothing to do with it, perhaps the last 4 years of constant spinning have had a cumulative effect on a problem knee)...

    Do you have access to other bikes you could try riding? If you do... perhaps you could take a few days off from riding, take scheduled ibuprofen (this part you should probably be talking to a doctor about, but essentially you'd likely be taking 500mg or so of ibuprofen several times a day, making sure not to take too much, i.e. read the instructions on the bottle, livers are useful... again, talk to a doctor)... then try the other bike and see how it feels. If you can isolate the problem (at least in large part) to your bike... then I'd follow all of the "get a proper fit" advice.

    And I would follow Tammy's/Sean's advice about glucosamine and chondroitin.

    Out of curiosity, when did you switch chainrings? Also, any old knee injuries that might partially explain it?
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      CommentAuthornerdo
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2011
     
    I had crazy knee pain for months when I was a messenger. I adjusted the saddle height and it got better. I'd wager your saddle's too low.

    But if it's only in one knee, you might also check to make sure the rails aren't bent on the saddle. Or, if you ride brakeless and the injured knee is in your dominant leg, you might try learning how to skip/skid with the other foot forward, etc. etc.Worstcase I'll just zip tie on a seat... but i'd rather not. —Zev (who else)
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    Talk to a doctor before dropping too much dough on supplements, studies are unclear as to whether glucosamine/chondroitin actually help joint pain better than placebo [BMJ linky, PDF]. Definitely get on lobar's ibuprofen tip though.DFL and DTF :D:D:D:D
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      CommentAuthorBuckley!
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2011
     
    And fucking stretch on occasion. I know it seems obvious, but that'll help with most joint and muscle pains and people forget about it.The kid's gotta learn that the game never lets up.
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    Buckley!:And fucking stretch REGULARLY. I know it seems obvious, but that'll help with PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING and people are too lazy to do it regularly.


    edited to reflect my experience.DFL and DTF :D:D:D:D
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    mouse:i stretch before and after i ride, almost every time. alas...
    nice reading fellassomebody turn the lights off on this place already.
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      CommentAuthorBuckley!
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2011
     
    I fucking stretch basically never, but when I do, I feel awesome. I MIGHT RIGHT NOW.The kid's gotta learn that the game never lets up.
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      CommentAuthortone
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2011
     
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    I hate you Sean. Yeah stretching before stuff is overrated. Stretch warm muscles not cold ones. Also dynamic stretching is better.DFL and DTF :D:D:D:D
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    you need to stretch AFTER, tone.YO NOT EVERYBODY GOES TO EAR SCHOOL OK
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      CommentAuthorBuckley!
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2011
     
    I stretch during.The kid's gotta learn that the game never lets up.
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      CommentAuthorhowl
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2011
     
    lobar:If you're in agonizing pain on a regular basis... talking to a doctor probably isn't the worst idea (no offense to us).


    Seconded. If you're in agonizing pain, go to your doctor, and get a referral to a sports medicine specialist, because most primary care doctors are pretty clueless about this stuff.

    A good reference for the many types of knee pain and general tipsa bout what to do about them: http://www.cptips.com/knee.htmTroglodytarum is latin for troll
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      CommentAuthortone
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2011
     
    banana truffles:you need to stretch AFTER, tone.
    Please don't tell me what I need to do. Can you point me to some research that proves that stretching after exercising prevents injuries?We are the small axe.
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    do you seriously believe that stretching warm muscles is not good for you? note that i am not talking about bikram warm.YO NOT EVERYBODY GOES TO EAR SCHOOL OK
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    ok so i dont know what you mean by injury. i have sciatica and if i do not stretch and do my PT everyday it acts up. is that an injury? i have also found that when doing 100 mile weeks last summer, stretching helped my muscles feel less sore and tired.

    these two studies have found that stretching prevents SOME injuries, specifically injuries to muscles, ligaments and tendons. but not "all-injury risk." im not sure what that means as i did not read the entire article, just the abstract. but i also think one can safely assume that stretching would not prevent breaking a bone, for example.

    A pragmatic randomised trial of stretching before and after physical activity to prevent injury and soreness.

    Effect of static stretching on prevention of injuries for military recruits.YO NOT EVERYBODY GOES TO EAR SCHOOL OK
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      CommentAuthorNuggetross
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2011
     
    i heard that stretching makes your peen smaller.
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    no i think your peen is just really small.YO NOT EVERYBODY GOES TO EAR SCHOOL OK
    • CommentAuthormouse
    • CommentTimeApr 13th 2011 edited
     
    maybe you can stretch your peen to make it longerdon't take your back or ass off the ground, don't force it, and go real slow.
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    mouse:maybe you can stretch your peen to make it longer


    was gonna say this but got beat to it.